Episode 010: Tapping on the Shoulder of Your Purpose
With Joey Torkildson
Our purpose is an expression of our state of being and life is our greatest spiritual teacher. But sometimes we're too busy to realize that we're actually tapping on the shoulder of our purpose.
In this episode, I speak with Joey Torkildson, US Army Veteran, Realtor and CEO of Voila, about being the observer in our lives, cultivating presence, and knowing our purpose as a state of being. We also cover topics including the pain body (Eckhart Tolle) and the power of the words "I AM." This conversation is jam packed with spiritual and practical gems for living with purpose.
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Joey Torkildson: [00:00:00] Instead of waiting for such a clear picture of like the universe on a big neon sign, being like, Joey Torkildson's purpose is this. Instead of waiting for that or, or seeing that, of course it's leaning in on the vibrational energy that comes along with the things of like, oh wow, this, this lights me up. Oh, lean in on this a little bit. See, I think that's what I'm embodying when it comes to purpose.
welcome to the Path and Purpose Podcast, where your journey of self-discovery meets with a collective awakening of humanity. I'm your host, Dr. Cameron Martin. In this exciting time of expansion and growth, we are witnessing a profound shift in consciousness. As spiritually awakening individuals, we are called to embrace our inner wisdom intuition and the deeper knowing that we're meant for more.
As an eternal [00:01:00] student of the universe and a spiritual leader, I have dedicated my life to supporting your journey of transformation. Through this podcast, we embark on a shared exploration where you can find inspiration, insights, and guidance from the stories of others who are walking similar paths, to see your truth reflected in their experiences, and to ignite the confidence to believe in the bigger purpose that awaits you.
This podcast is here to provide inspiration, insights, and guidance so that the path to living your soul's purpose becomes less of a mystery and more of a discovery.
Humanity's Ascension is calling for courageous souls like yours. Together we rise, aligning with our higher selves and embracing our divine nature. Get ready to be inspired, encouraged and reminded of the magnificent being that you are. Join me for this episode of the podcast where we will explore the many paths to living our soul's purpose.[00:02:00]
I'd like to talk today with you about two things that can limit people from living their soul's purpose. Number one language and number two, our pain bodies. Let's start with the first. Our realities are created with language. The way we speak affects the way we think affects the way we see everything around us.
And a lot of times, we're not very mindful of the language that we are using and what it's actually creating now, language is vibration and vibration is literally how the universe works. And so what we're creating through language, we create vibrationally and we attracted to us. Now, no wonder why. If we have [00:03:00] negative.
Um, thinking if we have negative, self-talk why we just continue to experience negative emotions. Right. Um, but if we use things like powerful affirmations, for example, we can start to create a reality. That's very different. But I want to take this maybe a step further and specifically language around a particular phrase.
The phrase I am now, the phrase I am is perhaps the most powerful phrase in the entire English language. And I am a sounds an awful lot like own the primordial sound of creation itself. Um, there is a reason why Jesus called himself the great I am now. I am. Speaks about a presence or a state of being, and that's true.
But the words I am followed by anything. Instantly [00:04:00] creates. So when you say something like I am hungry or I am tired, or I am unworthy your creating that exact thing to be true in your reality. Whereas, if you were to say something that is a bit more accurate, like my body is experiencing hunger. Or I, in this moment, my body is feeling a sense of unworthiness, right? That's actually more accurate.
And it's not just about semantics. Anytime we use the words, I am followed by anything. We literally associate with that thing. And so be very mindful. Uh, in your own language, what are you telling yourself that you are. I am this, I am that. And notice that in your own. Uh, daily experience. And see what maybe needs to shift for you, because if we want to live in alignment with our truth,
I am a, should only be [00:05:00] followed by truth. We'll get more into it in this episode, but I invite you to really think about that, the power of language in creating our realities. The second thing I want to just share about this episode is a concept actually. That was presented by EckhartTolle known as the pain body.
Now in other episodes, we've talked about trauma. And how trauma experiences energetically that happened to us at any time in our lives. But many of these traumas happen early in life. They're energetic experiences that we have that we don't know what to do with. So we hold on to them physically in the body.
Now there are totally refers to the pain body as, um, this. Piece of us that needs to be more or less addressed and understood. If we are to become more present in our lives. And so the pain body [00:06:00] itself has an understanding of what trauma is we might be holding on to when we're feeling triggered by something what's really being triggered is our pain body. And so if we become aware of our pain body and action.
How can we, um, start to step outside of it? How can we. Create presence in the space of an activated pain body so that we live and act. In alignment with our truth.
I'd like to read two excerpts from Eckhart Tolle's a new earth.
He says. Nobody can go through childhood without suffering emotional pain. Even if both of your parents were enlightened, you would still find yourself growing up in largely unconscious world. The remnants of pain left behind by every strong negative emotion that is not fully faced accepted. And then let go of joined together to form an energy field that lives in the very cells of your body. [00:07:00]
It consists, not just of childhood pain, but also painful emotions that were added to it later in adolescence. And during your adult life. Much of it created by the voice of the ego. It is the emotional pain that is your unavoidable companion. When a false sense of self is the basis of your life. This energy field of old, but still very much alive emotion that lives in almost every human being is the pain body.
He continues to say some people carry very dense pain bodies that are never completely dormant. They may be smiling and making polite conversation, but you do not need to be psychic to sense that seeding ball of unhappy emotion in them just underneath the surface. Uh, waiting for the next event to react to.
The next person to blame or confront the next thing to be unhappy about their pain bodies can never get enough, are always hungry. They magnify the ego's need for enemies. And so as we [00:08:00] explore the idea of the pain body, It is only possible because of the egos identifications with things with labeling, with identities, with who you think you are.
But the truth is underneath all of that. You are much more than that. You are the soul, the presence, the expression of the one infinite creator. And when you come into alignment with knowing the truth of that, your pain body no longer has control over you. And you'll be living more in alignment with your higher self and ultimately your purpose.
My mission on this planet is to support spiritually awakening humans in discovering their soul's purpose. And I know that if you're listening to this episode, discovering your purpose matters to you too. And I also know that sometimes it can feel like the spiritual journey is never ending, and that our purpose is some far off thing, but there's no need to waste precious time living without clarity and alignment.[00:09:00]
Living with purpose can start right now. So if you're struggling to figure out what your purpose is, and as a result you're feeling frustrated, uncertain, or maybe even a little lost, then I invite you to stop spinning your wheels. Life is way too precious and you are too important. I've created an easy way for you to recenter and reconnect with your path.
I've created a sole purpose illumination session for people who are driven to know their soul's purpose. So if this is you, I invite you to book a session.
You can find the link to book this session with me in the show notes
Cameron: On today's episode, I'm here with Joey Torkelson and he is a very dynamic individual who believes in writing his own story in life. With a diverse background as a US Army retired veteran realtor and c e o and founder of Voila, they thrive getting uncomfortable and inspiring others through action. As a [00:10:00] contagiously energetic teacher, and I believe he is, you will see an aspiring public speaker.
Joey loves helping people achieve their goals and believes that amazing things can happen outside of the comfort zone. He serves the world by remaining curious, by talking to strangers, by living, laughing and loving.
Welcome, Joey.
Joey Torkildson: Thank you, cam. I am very, very excited, uh, to be here and this journey with you. It's.
Cameron: Yeah, me too. We've always had really great conversations, so I know this one will be no different , so we'll just, uh, jump right in here. So I'm gonna first start by asking you what marked the beginning of your spiritual awakening or
your spiritual
journey.
Joey Torkildson: Yeah. You know what a, what an interesting question. When I thought about that, I was like, gosh. Because it's like, well, I was born in, on September 30th, 1980, and that's when it started. No, but, but you know, I would say, I would say early in my twenties, I started, I [00:11:00] I started reading right, and, and just started being told about some certain books and stuff like that. Um, but I will say that there was one thing that popped into my head, and usually I think this is the, the, the right answer is the first thing that pops in. And when I read that question, I thought there was a moment when I read. And I think you and I might have chatted about this in the past, but I read the book A New Earth by Eckhart Toley and you know,
and when I read it, I happened to be somewhere, uh, I was somewhere for about a week. I actually was at a summer camp with my family and a couple other families, and I had this weird opportunity every morning to go to this lake. And just read this book, and I kind of just blasted this book in a week's time. Little sections. Right. And I do believe that my my soul was [00:12:00] ready to hear this message at this like perfect time. Okay. Because I feel like when that happened, I had read a bunch, but a lot of it was just self-improvement and business and kick ass, and I make money, blah, blah, all this stuff, and then all of a sudden I read that book. And for those who are listening, if they've read that book, they know what I'm talking about. But it's funny is even in that book, in the very beginning, He says, he kind of says, you might not be ready for this book and if you aren't, stop, it was kind of, it's kind of funny. He is kinda like, if, if, if, as you're, if as you're reading, if this is not making any sense, stop and pick it up later. And I thought, oh, that's so interesting. But that book then that was probably, I don't know, maybe 2010, 11. 12, something like that. Um, you know, really probably started the journey of like, oh wow, like this is [00:13:00] something more than I was thinking, you know? And, and I think that was kind of where it really, where it really kicked off for me.
Cameron: I wanna ask you what you discovered, but , I'm kind of like laughing here because. No surprise. The beginning of our conversation was gonna be about Eckhart Tole. That's literally how we even started connecting to begin with.
Joey Torkildson: right. That's right.
Cameron: I was teaching at a retreat center and Joey was, uh, there in my class with his wife.
And why were they in Maui? But to. Uh, go to Eckhart's retreat . And so him and I have had many a conversation about this man and this work. So surprised that that's where this would begin. Um, but to circle back then, what is it about this book? What was it about this book and what is it about perhaps his work and his teachings that really sparked
something in
You
Joey Torkildson: You know, I think it, it's funny because there's three words that, that are brought up [00:14:00] in that book quite a few times, and there are three of my most, I, I think favorite words, phrases, uh, however you wanna say it. It's non-resistance, non-attachment. Non-judgment. Okay. And you know that they're, they're kind of sprinkled in throughout the book all the time.
He talks quite a bit about them and how to embody them and how to, um, uh, utilize those in your own life. And I think those three reminders, I don't, I'm not wearing it, but I do have a necklace that, uh, Kendall had given me three those three words, um, with compassion. Woke me up in the sense of, wow, I was doing all of the opposite. Meaning I was attaching myself to things. I was resisting, right? I was, oh, I'm gonna resist things. Of course, I was judging. We all judge this, you know, this is your ego, right? [00:15:00] Judge, I'm gonna judge everything. Or I think of resistance. It's, it's, I'm resisting life. Life is presenting me with amazing things. Ah, I don't like that. I don't want that. You know, or like, I'm just, you just, you're resisting. And, and I, and, and one of my other favorite authors is Michael Singer, um, um, uh, the Untethered Soul. And, you know, he talks about the difference between a closed heart and an open heart. It's a very similar, you know, again, very similar message. Just put a different way. And, um, I was having a closed heart cam, you know, I was closing my heart to all these different things in life. Um, and, and I think amazing thing has happened when you realize like, oh, it's not, it doesn't have to quite be that difficult, right? And, and you, and it's a feeling when you feel yourself resisting. Or closing your heart [00:16:00] to different things. Right. Um, you know, an example, an example would be when we met in Maui, right? Like, this is a really, this is a, this is an example. We meet you, um, we, we do your class, we're presented with another opportunity. We're open to it. We open our heart to it. We take it. Then, you know, we just met you. We just met you and, and you had, you had said, Hey, how about we. You know, when you, before you guys leave, we'll meet for lunch and I'll take you to this, take you to this, uh, park or something, whatever. And, um,
Cameron: In
the.
Joey Torkildson: we went through a
magical Exactly. We went through a magical walk. But when you think about this though, you can either, you have a choice. You either open your heart to this opportunity, life is presenting you, or this person is being put in your, in your, in your path. You can either surrender to it. Or, or you could say, ah, you know, cam, you know, because we had a wide open schedule. Oh, you know, I [00:17:00] don't know, kind of weird, you know, whatever you're talking about. Different, right? I mean, I'm not saying you're weird, but you know, this, this is your, your, your ego is, oh, you know, no, no, no. Or you can say, wait a second, life is presenting me with something. I should listen. And you, instead of your heart closing, you open it. You don't resist, you surrender to it. And I think that that embodies the concepts of that book. I know, I know. That's very, you know, kind of low level or, or you know, it, it got, it obviously gets much deeper. Um, but I think just those concepts in itself blew my mind on how I was, I was embodying the other words, right? Resistance, attachment, judgment. This is just these strong words. To be able to practice your life doing the opposite can really open up a lot of joy and peace and love in your life that you're, that [00:18:00] is probably, that most people are probably have already in front of them, uh, but they're, but since they're resisting it, they're not even noticing it.
Cameron: Yeah, for sure. Um, side note, I was very happy you guys said yes. 'cause I felt like we had a wonderful afternoon and you definitely wouldn't be on this podcast had it not been for
yes back then.
Joey Torkildson: Totally. Totally. I mean, and, and it was great. That's why I think that's such a good example with how many times we get to do that every day. Those opportunities present themselves every day. I think. Every moment sometimes. Right. I could have resisted this podcast, right? I could have, I could have, oh, I'm too busy.
Oh, blah, blah, blah. Right. Well, no, that's not how I'm looking at it. Open your heart to this. Oh. It's kind of saying yes, yes, to life. You'd say yes to these things as they're presented versus fighting them.
Cameron: So if you can remember back to your 20 something year old self, you're reading this book, you're like, oh my God, I am [00:19:00] attaching, oh my goodness, I am resisting . I'm not really surrendering to life as it is. Maybe it's not even that profound, but you're realizing like, uh oh, something's gotta change . So, What was that light bulb?
I mean, I know the realization of it is the light bulb, but like what then transpired? You're like, uh oh, this would work. This doesn't really work for me. I gotta shift this. Like what
ended up happening
afterwards?
Joey Torkildson: Yeah, I'm so glad you, you know, I don't know how, what happened, but it was, um, it was very profound meaning, uh, within those, let's say that about a five day span of all these concepts being introduced, Um, there was an element, and I, and I know you've experienced this, um, just with your past on, in your journey, just through some conversations we've had and a feeling of ease, a feeling of flow, [00:20:00] bliss, and, and there's, here's what's interesting. There's nothing that I. It was this book. I think that kind of opened a door for me. Now, what's interesting about this in my, in my, uh, perception of this is that it happened and I felt that feeling for about 60 days. Okay.
Cameron: Hmm.
Joey Torkildson: And it was
incredible. And I was thinking to myself, in my head, I was thinking, Enlightenment baby. Right, right, right. Um, and and it, and it felt, it felt wonderful, right? It felt wonderful. It felt fantastic. Um, and then it kind of dissipated still there, still, I mean, still still aware of it still, but then life, different things, ego, [00:21:00] pain body, all of these different things are powerful forces. Powerful. Right? And so, um, then I had to kind of rework through it and use, you know, then, then it, it, it's why it's called a practice. I've always loved that. I don't know where I heard that, but I, maybe that was Michael Singer. Where, where people think that they're going to just, it's going to, something has happened spiritually to them and all of a sudden they're Buddha. You know, or whatever, or they're Jesus and it's just like, oh, you know, and, and in a way that's why it, these things they're called, oh, it's a meditation practice. It's a, um, you know, a spiritual practice. Well, it's because you're gonna constantly be hit, in my opinion. You're gonna be constantly be hit with things and, and you have to work through those things. And so that's why it didn't last. It wasn't this indefinite thing. I was not on this, a higher plane forever. [00:22:00] Um, but what's interesting is that when you experience this, this different plane, uh, this, or let's call it, uh, maybe some people might relate to the word vibration. You, you
you hit this, you, you, it's like a, all of a sudden now you can hear this different tune. You know, think about playing a guitar. All of a sudden you, you can hear. that wasn't there before. Right. And, oh, wait, I didn't, I didn't even know that that's this vibration. And, and, but again, you can get off kilter where stuff gets in the way and then you don't hear it anymore. Oh God. Where, where did that sound go? And you're, you're maybe searching for it again. It's still right there though. It's still right there. Um, but that's what happened. That's what happened. And there was nothing, I don't think, there was nothing I did. It was, I was ready for the message. It opened a door that I was unaware of, you know, where I'm in this hallway of doors. Oh my gosh, I didn't even know this [00:23:00] door was here. You know, that's what, that, that's what that book did. And, and I think that happens for a lot of people, but it doesn't have to be a book. Maybe it's a person's message. Maybe it's an audio they hear, maybe it's a, a life crisis they go through. And they bring them down into a
darkest of the holes of all holes, and that's where they all of a sudden discover this vibration.
Something like that. That could be an example. Mine wasn't like that. Um, but that was a very powerful and profound experience that I'm so grateful to have gone through.
Cameron: Yeah, it's beautiful. There's several pieces we're gonna talk about practice. I'm gonna come back to that. But before we step over, really what was shared, um, You beautifully described what is familiar or common we'll say among people's spiritual awakenings and also overlooked , um, which is for a lot [00:24:00] of people now, a spiritual awakening can happen very quickly.
It can happen in a moment. It can happen over a week, right? When you're reading a book, it could be a moment, it could be listening to this podcast. Somebody's like having an aha or. It's something a bit more gradual and certainly this planet since 2020 has given a ton of catalysts for people to start.
Clicking, uh, hold on. That's weird. Wait, I don't feel this way anymore. I don't wanna work this job anymore. I don't wanna be in that relationship anymore. Whatever. These are the types of catalysts. But what you were describing is, you know, we've maybe reached these experiences of, you know, the yogi speak of Nirvana or Bliss or enlightenment, or, you know, these things we were talking about, and I've had my own experience of that.
And then, Life reminds you that you're still here. . That's the way I'd like to say it. Um, because it doesn't really disappear, but for me, 60 days, God bless you. I don't think it was even that long for me. I think it was a matter of days before I realized that I [00:25:00] didn't feel this oneness and bliss with all things anymore.
I mean, but. The point I want to make is it doesn't completely go away. Because when you experience that, when you experience the knowing of, I will say the vibration or the frequency that you experienced, right? An elevated sense of yourself, maybe a full connection with your higher self, whatever you want to call it, God, union connection with all that is one, the creator, whatever.
Um. That presence is what you come to really know. And it is always there, right? That beingness, that essence, that presence. That's actually, I'm gonna say what you are, right? Not this ego Joey or Cameron moving around on planet earth. You know, stress and doing whatever the heck, that essence, that beingness, uh, it's our soul really.
That's inside the body, right? [00:26:00] And so even when life's responsibilities, triggers dramas, patterns, relationships, all of it kind of piles back on, um, the, the spiritual path is the remembering of that, remembering of that essence, remembering that you've actually never
been separate
from
Joey Torkildson: I love that.
Cameron: And perhaps then the moment of a spiritual awakening is the remembering that you were never separate from.
Joey Torkildson: Yeah.
Cameron: essence, the universe, uh, the true self, right? So in this, remembering that, wow, okay, actually I am connected and underneath all of this, it's still there, this presence, this essence. But if I want to experience it, as you were saying, I've gotta cultivate it. Because, and that's very true, right? Um, yogis and those who have sought enlightenment, I mean, not just yogis, but throughout human history, it does require a practice and it [00:27:00] requires a commitment to fostering that relationship.
You know, it's like you're be given this gift over. Remember, you're not separate . Remember, this is your true essence. Remember, you are connected with all that is. You are an expression of God, the creator itself.
Joey Torkildson: Yeah.
Cameron: Yeah. And you, you can, you experience that viscerally, you know it in your mind, you know it in your heart, all of it.
But then we kind of like come back down to earth. And so the spiritual journey is beyond the awakening. And a lot of people, what comes right after this, like Right, right, right, right, right. After is a dark night of the soul , the deepest, darkest pit you were talking about. Were like, Shit.
Now I gotta look
at my stuff.
Joey Torkildson: Mm-hmm.
Cameron: I felt so great. Like this rollercoaster, I felt so amazing. And now I feel so terrible because I have to, well, because now everything's come back. All my dramas, dramas all these things, and now I gotta deal with it. And now it feels so challenging because I may have experienced
[00:28:00] something so
high
Joey Torkildson: Well, and you know what?
Awareness Awareness sometimes is painful, right? I mean, Like you just said, all of a sudden you're dealing with your stuff, right? Well, you weren't aware of your stuff before this, right? I mean, oh, you're just living your life. Oh, everything's great. Oh, how to, you know, like, like, and when I think of like your past, right?
And you're, you're doing your thing and you think you should be doing what you're doing and, and da, da, da. You're not even maybe aware of these things, and then all of a sudden, bam, something happens. All of a sudden you become way more aware and way more, uh, uh, uh, you have this acute feeling of like, oh, wow, I have these, even the concept of a pain body.
I mean, he talks about this and Right,
Cameron: I
was gonna ask you
about it, so go
Joey Torkildson: well, right. Well,
Cameron: people listening?
Joey Torkildson: pain body. I mean,
we all have them. We all have them. You do not get out of this world. Without [00:29:00] a pain body and that pain body. Uh, another way to put it would be kind of like the, I guess the ugly side of your ego, right? Like something like, like an example of mine would be, um, Some childhood experiences Right, that I've had, that I had, we all had. Who, who's like, it's like who's got through their childhood without some trauma? Zero people, right? I mean, like literally no one. And so, so, I, you know, some, some childhood trauma that creates the pain body. There it is right there. It could be anything. Mine. Mine was, uh, as an example, my dad, this used to have massive blowups.
He was like a volcano. He'd be a normal dude, and then all of a sudden he'd be like, just exploding. And so we're, we're walking on, we're walking on eggshells all the time, [00:30:00] right? Well, there's a pain body that's created. So then two things happen. Number one, I, I hold onto that my whole life. So then when, when maybe I run into somebody else that's a volcano, for example, well, my pa, my pain body gets introduced, or I become that, right? All of a sudden maybe I embody, which I've done with my kids, all of a sudden, whoa, I just blew up like a volcano. What What was that? Well, you know what that was? Hello? Pain body right there, right? And then a lot of people say, well, is that you? Is that you? Well, yeah, tactically, of course, that's you. That's a part of you. But is it you? Is it Cameron? Is it Joey? No, it's this separate, almost like this separate entity that just like introduces itself periodically through your life. But again, you can't, you can't change it or help it with a lack of awareness, [00:31:00] right? But then as soon as you become aware,
whoop, now you can go, oh my gosh, now you're confronted with it. Now you can actually interact with it and go, oh, you can, you can stop it. Right? It's that, it's that between a stimulus and response. Viktor Frankl, a man's search for meaning. By the way, cam, I, I, I just spit books all over the place when I talk about stuff like this, but
Cameron: These are the best
ones, and
Frankl's work is
Joey Torkildson: Frankl's work is amazing
Cameron: over my
Joey Torkildson: but he talks, Hey, between a stimulus and response, there's a space. There is a space. So think about that, that pain body. My dad, volcano, well stimulus, my kid does something crazy. Response is me blowing up pain body. Well, there is a space, don't tell me there isn't. Right? And people a lot smarter than me. Vitor, Frankl, you know, obviously studied this. and, and and then what? That's where the magic happens. [00:32:00] That's where awareness is to be able to go like, oh. Wow. But if you don't, if you're not even aware of that concept, then how could you ever not only discover pain bodies, but then also help, I don't wanna say defeat them 'cause you're never gonna defeat them.
They're never gonna disappear. It just won't. Um, but you can interact with them and actually live in a, live a somewhat more peaceful life where their, their pain bodies aren't absolutely running everything
right.
Cameron: Yeah. Yeah. I think the concept of a pain body is very interesting. Um, and so for those of you who wanna read more about this or learn more about it, this is Eckhart Tolle's concept. Uh, I'm assuming
it came from
well
Joey Torkildson: I think so. Yeah.
Cameron: through,
Joey Torkildson: Yeah.
Cameron: but it's a really interesting concept and for those of you who are listening to other episodes where I may have spoken to guests about shadow work and I've spoken about trauma and I've also spoken about the.
Magnificence of your body, basically, right? So our bodies, we are [00:33:00] electromagnetic beings, literally our bodies field frequencies all the time. And as Joey was saying correctly, we experience trauma as children and to define trauma. Trauma's not necessarily being physically abused, which is what we do see and think about as trauma, but
Trauma happens energetically when something occurs, and we don't know what to do with it. So this is why as children are not fully developed, right? When your dad blows up at you and starts yelling, right, you don't understand what the hell is going on, and so you cower or, you know, protect yourself or whatever.
It's the ego's mechanism, by the way, to keep you protected in some way. And then a belief has formed around that time too, that like, I'm not good enough or my dad doesn't love me, or whatever the case is, and that gets stored in the body literally. So the concept of a pain body is really quite fascinating, uh, and very [00:34:00] interesting to sort of take this a step further, because tole also describes that basically you're just interacting with a bunch of pain bodies all the time.
and I've said this in other ways, that you know, most adults. Walking around planet Earth as
unhealed
children.
Don't realize that there are unconscious patterns, beliefs, things going on underneath the surface, but they are impacting them all the time. It's why at work you, you know, you try to be careful not to do this with your boss 'cause that could upset her.
Or you make sure you do this for your wife because otherwise she'll feel insecure. Right? And people are tiptoeing around each other's pain bodies all the time instead of just acknowledging that, hmm. This energetic signature was created at some time. Um, and I carry it, but it's not me. It's not my essence.
Right. If we go back to what we were talking about, this underlying essence of who you be, which you can only [00:35:00] experience in moments of presence, right? Um, The pain body is just, it's your
instinctual response. It's like when I say something to you and then you're triggered, this is another way you wanna know.
If the pain body's being stimulated, here's the key. You're feeling
triggered in this moment. Something is either pissing you off, making you sad, right? There's some sort of emotional trigger that is happening. When you're in a moment of this, your pain body is being . Instigated, if you will. And it's interesting when you can start to observe, huh?
Look at that. These emotions, they're connected to this belief or something. And you start to become aware of your pain body. Um, you can start to
observe it in other people.
You're like,
oh, look at that. Every time I talk to her, she gets like this. Every time I talk to him, he get, he doesn't wanna talk about this thing.
And then I, he gets all pissed off , right? Um, That's a very [00:36:00] empowering way of just understanding what
we're holding onto.
Joey Torkildson: Oh yeah.
Cameron: But as you were saying, like it's not just a, oh look it I'm being triggered. Must be my pain body. Oh, well I'll just keep living my life. Well, actually we can relate to it very, we can shift that because we relate to it differently.
You said maybe it doesn't go away. I'd argue that it probably can, but. Maybe more accurately, your relationship
to it
changes,
Joey Torkildson: I love that. I love that.
Cameron: grabbing it right. I'm not grabbing it as, oh, this is my pain body, this is my trauma, this is my story that I believe it's, yeah, there is an experience in my body of loneliness, for example, that I've carried through childhood, but, and sometimes that does get triggered.
I feel it, and that's my pain body being activated. In fact, this happened very recently for me. I was already, I was just talking to Joey about this before we started, but I can [00:37:00] relate to it as the seer, as the observer, as the essence, as the soul, as the presence. I'm saying all these things to help people recognize this essence of what I truly am.
I can observe that. Oh wow. Look at that. Yep. Isolation, sadness, aloneness is what's being triggered in my body right now. Hmm. Okay. But I don't have to grab that. I don't have to identify with it. I don't have to say, this is me, I am lonely. No, no, no, no. The body is experiencing loneliness or an experience of that.
Right. My, my pain body is being triggered in this moment, but that's not me. That's, that's trauma plus conditioning, plus other people's expectations, plus my past. That's all that shit, but that's not really me. 'cause you know, when you die and leave this body, none of it
is there.
Joey Torkildson: Well, and I love how you just associated, I, I just heard this and it was, [00:38:00] uh, from a speaker I went to, it's kind of a little mini workshop. is is she said, I, she was talking about not associating the words I am and something else. So for example, when your, when your, when your knee is hurt, you say, My knee is hurt, it's injured, let's say.
Okay, that's what you say. But when you say the words, any, anything dealing with like say the brain or just like the mental, you know, the men, your mental capacity, your consciousness. When you say,
I am depressed. No, no, no, no. I love how she rephrased it and she says there is a depressed feeling there. It's not, I am depressed, I'm lonely. It's not those things. There is a feeling of loneliness, but I am not lonely right there. So, and, and it's like disassociating. Those things [00:39:00] was facet and you just said that and I was like, oh, that, to me, that's a fascinating thing of saying like, no, you are not that. Yeah. This is an experience you're going through right now. Okay. And and recognizing that, and you said the other word I love, which is the observer. Be the observer. As soon as you can figure that out, that's talk about, right. I mean, no. Talk about a powerful, uh, uh, uh, exercise to be like, oh, no, no, no. You're gonna just observe. This, you know, like you, it's a different entity. The observer, the Seed of the Soul, right? From, uh, whatever book that was, that's the title of a book, seed of, it's actually called The Seed of the Soul. I can't remember the author. Uh, but, but again, you're in this seat of awareness. You're exp you're, you're, you're witnessing these things happen. That's a whole nother experience.
And when you said you're interacting with pain bodies, I love that. I love how it's like all we're, we're interacting with all [00:40:00] these pain bodies out there. That's where the whole line, that's where the whole famous Jesus line, it's the most, one of those most famous lines ever. Right. Forgive them for they know not what they do.
Cameron: They do,
they don't even know
Joey Torkildson: Wow. Who am I?
Cameron: maybe more effectively
what they are. Right? And so instead of the, and the non, the non judgment's a lot easier by the way of yourself and other people when you can embody this because you're not walking through the, the line at the grocery store, you're like, wow, he's such an
asshole.
He just cut
me off. No, no,
Joey Torkildson: Yeah, exactly. You can,
Cameron: that's their pain body being triggered. But also maybe
his was
at the same time.
Joey Torkildson: Yes, you can interact with, think about that. You can interact with people in such a more
loving way. they, they cut you off? Yeah, they cut you off.
Yeah. Oh. Oh, he must, that's his pain body. He is just like, oh, that's, oh, okay. Whatever. You know, you just let it go. I mean, it's, it's such a more beautiful way to interact with the world. As soon as you realize that they're, that's [00:41:00] not them,
that's their pain body. Oh, that's cool. It's, it's wild. It's a wild, I think that's such a wild discovery again, for me, and I know for you in different, in different, uh, versions and ways.
Cameron: well, so there's two things there too. So the truth of being the observer, um, a lot of people are walking around this planet thinking that they're every single thought in their head, and that's not true. If you can observe a thought or observe an emotion, observe a feeling, then you mustn't be those things.
Joey Torkildson: Right,
Cameron: You can't be. So what are you? Well, you're the presence or the observer behind it. So that's number one. If you can start relating to the things going on inside of you, that way you've already have, uh, a better grip on what is true reality. Um, but. It's interesting how you bring this all up too, because this has like been the lesson I've been teaching people over the last several weeks, which [00:42:00] is the way in which we relate to experiences of our body.
So when you were saying, I am this, well, the words I am are the two most powerful words in the English language. Um, I am, and the really, the sound of those two words is the sound of ohm, the primordial creation sound. Um, and speaking of Jesus, right? Jesus was known as the great I am, I am is a powerful manifesting, uh, phrase.
Two said, right two words. We manifest through language. And so I am followed by anything. Is creating and it's very strong. And so when you say, I am , This boom, your ego is super happy to grab onto it and super happy to relate to it. So I am dumb, I am lazy, I am stupid. Maybe I am also attractive. I am, you know, whatever.
[00:43:00] Good looking and charming, and these are things that now my ego's got and it's toolbox that's gonna try to just control you. But if we can start to relate to the experiences of our body in a different way, and honestly in language. So it's not that I am hungry. I know this might seem a little bit crazy and it's semantics, but it's true.
My body is experiencing hunger. My stomach is experiencing hunger. I am not sad. My body is experiencing sadness, or even
better yet,
the body is
Joey Torkildson: Love that.
Cameron: sadness. I'm not even attaching. What I'm doing is actually creating more and more space, as you mentioned before, for
presence to just. B. Okay. I'm not hungry.
I'm not angry. I'm not pissed off. No, no, no. The body is experiencing hunger. The body is experiencing anger. The body is having an experience right now of feeling pissed off. This is a very different relationship [00:44:00] to reality, first of all, and what's going on in our own consciousness, because there's power there, right?
If I, if my body is experiencing loneliness, I can observe it and be with it just like you would a child sitting on the edge of a bed who got, who's upset because they didn't get picked on the playground. Right? You're not gonna yell at the kid. You're not gonna say You suck. But guess those kids didn't wanna see you.
Right? Like that's not what you do. You would observe, you would sit there, you would comfort, you would just let them cry and move through whatever They've gotta move through without judgment, where you're doing the exact same thing with
yourself.
Joey Torkildson: It's huge, It's huge, man.
I, I, I think that is a very, I think being able to disassociate and I love how you said
Cameron: I'm gonna stop you there, though. It's not disassociating, it's actually associating and relating in the way that
things
actually
Joey Torkildson: yes, yes.
Cameron: So I, I
just wanna say it because some people [00:45:00] think, oh, this is dissociative. I'm not even No, no, it's actually not. It is relating
to truth.
Joey Torkildson: It's recognizing, that's why I love how you said where you insert presence. I I think that I, I just loved that, right? Because again, it goes back to that stimulus response. There's this space, well, that space is presence. That space is literally being present with this. And I just, I think it's fantastic, man.
I think it's fantastic. So thank you for sharing that.
Cameron: Yeah. Thank you. So then on your journey, if we talk about that the spiritual journey is about developing presence and maintaining this sense of knowing our I amness, um, inside of us, what tools, what modalities, what things have been really
important to
support you along
Joey Torkildson: You know, meditation
I practice transcendental meditation. Um, I've been practicing that for years, maybe 10 years I think, or something like that. Um, books, of course, [00:46:00] I just, I, I, I'm a ferocious reader, constantly reading. Um, you know, I. Life, right? I mean, life is your best teacher. My kids are my best teacher. Pain, you know, recognizing like, wow, you know, some, some painful thing is happening. You know, I'm, I'm, I'm selling a business right now and. Painful, right? Painful lesson. Um, I think those are your best. When people say like, oh, I just don't know, like, you know, I just don't know where should I learn, uh, spirituality or where should I learn these things?
Where should you learn them? They happen to you every day, right? I mean, literally. I mean, right? I mean, because like when you brought up the guy cutting you off, he's Oh. Best teacher right there. How are you going to respond to this moment? Okay. That is, that is teaching. So I [00:47:00] like, I love the more you interact with life and you're aware of it, right? And you walk into it being like, I am going to be present. Intentional on what I do every day. Okay. Or day to day or moment to moment. As soon as you set the intention of being like, I am going to be here for this, life will present you with so many lessons of opportunity, whatever you name it, it's gonna be right there for you. And so when I think of the, the modalities, I love that word. When I think of that, I think of, you know what? If I can just figure out how to every day look at people in a different way, you know? And I talk about talking to strangers. You said that in the intro, right? We interact with people all the time. Starbucks, barista, uh, you know, whatever, clerk at the store, stranger [00:48:00] walking their dog, right? I think in today's world, just look at them. Just look at them, interact with them on a deeper level. How are you? How are you? Good. Good. Right. I, I actually said this to a, uh, speaking of Starbucks last week, somebody asked me, how you doing Starbucks?
Of course. How you doing? The word we hear a gajillion times a day. Good, good. You know what I said? I go, I, she go, how you doing? And I had set the intention. I'm going to be present and honest in this moment. How you doing? I'm a three out of a 10. She's like, I, it was kind of funny 'cause she was literally like, oh, I'm like, yeah, oh, this something, not feeling it right now. She's like, oh my God. And her and I, you know, kind of had this moment, this interesting kind of moment. She's like, oh, you know, I hope everything's better. And it was, it was a real, it was just a real one minute conversation. Nothing profound [00:49:00] happening here. Okay. But what was profound was honesty. Presence and depth.
I can learn something here. She can learn something and maybe, and it goes on and we move on with our lives, that's fine, but not always. That doesn't always happen, meaning, who knows? I've been, I've had plenty of conversation with complete strangers, and next thing you know, I'm on their podcast.
Cameron: Through the.
Joey Torkildson: walking
through the
woods. No, but I mean, but, but, right. I mean, so again, it's you, your learning these things. You're learning your purpose and your spiritual path there. The universe is there is on your side, right? And so it's just putting things in your path all over the place. It's like, Hey, hey, hey.
The universe is literally like, Hey, every day it's, it's yelling at you [00:50:00] to be like, look over here. The answer is here in this complete stranger, or in this flower that you just walked past, you know, or something like that. Those are these very, very simple things. I don't think that. Yes. If you get an opportunity to have this profound experience, you go to an Eckhart retreat or you go to something and it punches you in the face, awesome. But I do honestly think that if you want to discover your purpose or you want to discover your, your, your path, um, I mean your path and your purpose, obviously, you know, just be intentional with right now, right now. This is exactly what's happening. I've got so much, I have so many opportunities right around beauty, around me. I mean, you're in Maui, you know, I mean, there's all these lessons that are right in front of us. You don't have to go that far. [00:51:00] You just stay right where you are and next thing you know, there's plenty of opportunities to to that will present themselves. Awareness, intention. Right. Setting the intention.
Cameron: I really wanna like normalize the How are you like one to 10 . That's great. How's
it going?
I'm a four
Joey Torkildson: And people are.
Cameron: Yeah. I would love, I mean, I love that I actually had an interaction with somebody very recently. It wasn't a hundred percent like that, but it struck me as different because when I pulled up, I'm walked up to the counter. She greeted me and then said something like she made, it was almost like an assumption that I was doing in a particular way.
Like, uh, and I'm glad to know that you are doing well today too, or something like that. And I hadn't responded.
Like,
she just
Joey Torkildson: Oh, that's great.
Cameron: and I remember, but it sounds, the way I said, it sounds a little bitchy, but she wasn't, she was, she was doing something different. [00:52:00] I don't remember what was happening, but I remember that it struck me as like, oh.
No, she actually kind of cares about like, what's going on over here in my space. And she was like acknowledging that you're having an experience today. And I don't, again, I don't remember what she said, but I remember it being very striking. Um, so yeah, let's start normalizing. I'm a
three,
not right now.
I'm
Joey Torkildson: Good.
Good.
No, but normalize that. Normalize. If more people were transparent and vulnerable and real, can we be real? Then we can actually experience each other. At a much higher level. Much, much higher level.
Cameron: Well, and I, and I love the connection that's happening here, right? 'cause early in our conversation, we're talking about being the observer. We're talking about noticing, seeing the pain body, what is all of that? That's actually about getting real with ourselves and what, like internally and when we can do that, we can do it with others.
Joey Torkildson: exactly.
Cameron: You can't do that
with others if
you
Joey Torkildson: hundred percent. [00:53:00]
Cameron: yourself.
Joey Torkildson: A hundred percent.
Cameron: possible. You're lying to yourself left and right. You can't be, you can't be truthful and authentic
to anybody else.
It just doesn't work like
Joey Torkildson: right.
Cameron: Okay. Well, do you think that you've discovered
your purpose?
Are You living your
Joey Torkildson: You know,
Elizabeth Gilbert from Eat, pray, love, uh, very famous book. She says that the world has, or America maybe has, probably the world has something called. Or there's a new term she coined that's called purpose anxiety. People have purpose anxiety, um, because if they don't know their purpose or they don't, they, maybe it's muddy or maybe they have no clue what their purpose is. And, um, I heard her telling a story that she says, is it so, is it so outlandish? I just thought this was really funny. 'cause she says is, it's so outlandish. She says, I was walking down the street in New York City and I saw a guy on the, on a ladder. It looked like he was about to, [00:54:00] it looked very precarious and, and it was, you know, he was 30 feet up.
She goes, and I, I grew up in a family of construction workers and she, she looks, she saw across the street that's unsafe. And so she ran over there. This is her, right? She runs over, she, oh, she holds the ladder and she, Hey, I'm gonna hold this, this got, it's all wobbly and, oh, thanks, thanks. So she holds it. And then he comes down and she walks away. He goes, thanks. And she goes, what if that was my purpose in life? She said, she said that, what if that me holding that ladder, saving that guy's life, if she did, what if that was my purpose in life? And I go, oh my Lord. And so I've been thinking a lot about this, uh, in probably the last six months of what is my purpose? And, and I had purpose anxiety. Oh my god, I don't know what it is. I like Oh, so, uh, [00:55:00] it's, it's not clear. Right? Um, but I think, again, what's cool is that I do, I get to experience my purpose every day. And one of my purposes, I know this sounds, it, it sounds almost vague, but I do, I, I love, it's, it's something I love doing. When we say talking to strangers, inspiring others through action. Delighting, I love delight. I love the word delight. It's one of my favorite words. Delighting somebody being able to say something to a complete stranger and just delight them. 'cause it's, we're not gonna, let's stop being robots here and let's, let's have it beautiful moments together. Right? And I think, I think my purpose. Has something to do with these items, with, with these things that I was saying now, is that this laser beamed focus yet? No, but it's coming together, right? [00:56:00] It's coming together slowly and I'm trying to be able to say, okay, you know what? These things that bring me energy that I like doing, I know somebody that's, that's, I don't even understand if I was to tell somebody, well, my purpose is talking to complete strangers, people would be like, what?
That doesn't make any sense. Be like, well, yeah, I know. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense to me either, but it's something I, you know, but it's something I enjoy doing. And so what I really think is funny is that sometimes, sometimes, your purpose might not be that clear. And, and I think those who have maybe discovered it, there are some people that, they discovered it very early on in their lives and they're, they're painters, whatever.
And they're like, that's my purpose. Or they're an artist, they're a, a musician. That is my purpose. And they know it at the core, right? Mine hasn't been, my journey hasn't been like that. Um, but with that being said, [00:57:00] I'm. I'm embodying more of my true essence. Okay? And that in itself is part of my purpose. what what does that mean in action, right? That is gray, a little gray for me right now. Um, but I've, I've put aside some of that per
purpose, anxiety, because a lot of times people have this purpose anxiety, like if they don't find their purpose, their life is useless. And it's like, well, That's not true, you know, and I, I don't think it's true necessarily. Um, yeah. So anyways, I know long, long,
Cameron: Well, the universe doesn't create unnecessarily, so if you're alive, there's a reason for you being here. Yes. Um, I really liked, I. I mean, we've, I've talked about this in many ways with many guests and obviously with my clients and our society has this condition to think that our purpose is a thing [00:58:00] or it's a role or something adjacent to a role that you give to society, right?
That's like, I'm a lawyer, I'm a teacher, I'm a doctor, I'm with this, whatever. And I really liked that everything you just said. None of it is actually role dependent. Um, when you were talking about like yourself, you were actually talking about the expression of several things You did even say like, artist.
But no, I bet you an artist would say that really what they're here to do is to express their creative tendencies or to share their ability to create beauty with the world, right? So our purpose sounds a lot more like a verb than a
noun.
Joey Torkildson: I love that.
Cameron: I'm and I've thought about this too quite a bit, but it's more like to do this, and it's not to like achieve, but it's like, um, to do, to express this, to share this, to be, it's more of a state of being than [00:59:00] I've accomplished.
This is what I have
to make
sure I am
Joey Torkildson: Well, you just said it. You just said it in a beautiful
way. It's, it is a state of being. Because people know when they're lit up. When they're lit up, and they're, they're jazzed. Okay? Everybody knows when that feeling exists in their body. Okay? You ba basically you are tapping into the some kind of vibration or energy of your purpose. Now what, what does that mean? Well, it could be anything, right? So mine is, I like, I, I really enjoy talking to complete strangers and I get jazzed about it. I, there's an energy there and it's like, oh, and I, and I do it very easily. That's another thing. Ease things that, things that are easy per se. Right. I'm not saying it doesn't take hard work to make sales calls and talk [01:00:00] to strangers or play guitar, right? But if it's easy for, for example, a musician, if it's easy for them to pick the guitar up and start practicing, if it's easy, I, oh, I got this guitar. Oh man, this is hard work. This is hard work, but it's easy to pick it up. But then I would listen to that. Right. Listen to that because that has something to do with why you're on this planet. So I think for others, even listening, right? Those different things that are easy for you to do. Now, I'm not saying easy because some people might be like, well, it's easy for me to sit on the couch and watch Netflix.
Okay, well, I'm not talking about that. You know, I'm ta, right? I'm talking about I, I'm talking about the things that you enjoy doing that bring you energy. That fill your heart up, that fill your soul up.
Those things, start listening to those things and start leaning in. I love that word. I love that. Those terms, that, that, that, that phrase start [01:01:00] leaning in on that.
Oh man, why is it so easy for me to do this? Pick up a guitar. Why is it so easy for me to, I mean, it, it could just, I, I hate to say this 'cause I hate Excel spreadsheets, but I just thought about it. I was like, I do. But let's say someone is like, It's just so easy for me to get on this computer and start spreadsheet. Uh, right. But guess what? You be, you should lean in on that a little bit. Maybe. It doesn't mean you have to work for an accounting firm, but maybe it means something else. I don't know. You know, so again, you have to listen to those things, and that's what I've chosen to do instead of, instead of waiting for such a clear picture of like the universe on a big neon sign, being like, Joey Torkildson's purpose is this. Instead of waiting for that or, or seeing that, of course it's leaning in on the vibrational energy that comes along with the things of [01:02:00] like, oh wow, this, this lights me up. Oh, lean in on this a little bit. See, I think that's what I'm embodying when it comes to purpose.
Cameron: Yeah. Yeah. And the things that light me up are conversations like this one, conversations about consciousness and spirituality. Uh, when I get to reflect for people just how divine that they are when I'm doing . Astrology readings or other work with them and coaching and supporting people and like really, uh, exploring themselves.
Honestly, I really get jazzed about holding space , which is. You know, interesting. But I like being able to create a container and hold space for people to figure out who they really are. So, you know, I'm expressing it that way. But I love to teach. I love to talk. I get super jazzed when I'm speaking about things like this too.
And I get into a complete flow state, which I'm sure many of you have already heard. I don't even know what the hell I'm saying right now. It's just happening. That's how I relate [01:03:00] to it. Um, so maybe I gotta lean more into that. But, you know,
the podcast
is a step.
Joey Torkildson: for sure. Oh, for sure it is. Well, and those things you just said, right, those 5, 6, 7 things, those are the things where it's like you, you position, we, we all need to position our days. And again, this isn't always like the easiest thing for people if they're working a nine to five and they have to work this nine to five, we, I, I get that.
Right? We, we, we have to survive. We have to, you know, different things. But again, when you, when you think of that survive and then you thrive, what's like, guess what? Start leaning in on all of those things and I, well, first of all, identify them, write them down. Right. I think a lot of people don't even know that. So clueless throughout the write down. Oh. I felt good. I mean, it it because, right, just those words, oh man, that felt good. That felt good to do X. You know, it's like, oh, okay. What does that mean? [01:04:00] Dive into that. What does that mean? You know, and that's why I think journaling for it doesn't work for me. I don't journal. I, I'm not a big, huge jour. I'm not, I dunno. No, no, no. And here's the thing, . Yeah. But, but here's the thing. There's also different mediums though. There's different mediums talks like this. Because again, you know what, what's interesting is that this medium is very interesting because although I didn't have to journal, I did have to, I did have to look at questions. I did have to write. So I had to go, oh, I'm gonna look at these questions. I'm gonna think about it. Then I'm gonna talk about it. It just ingrains it in. And if it feels right, then you go, okay, I'm gonna lean into that. Some people journal and they say, oh, I'm, you know, and that's a good medium for them. It could be talking could be or whatever. Um, but I think, I think being able to lean into those things that make you feel good and has a higher vibration. You are literally tapping on the shoulder of your purpose, right? There's your [01:05:00] purpose. You're tapping them and being like, oh, there it's,
Cameron: I love it. And with that, we're gonna close the episode.
Thank you so much, Joey,
for being here with me
Joey Torkildson: you Cameron. Appreciate it, brother.
I'm grateful to share this episode and time with you, my listeners. And I want you to know that our time together does not have to end here. I've also created an online community where spiritually awakening people can receive my support and guidance and connect with others as they discover their own unique paths to living their soul's purpose.
Look for the link in the show notes to learn more about the path and purpose, community support, connection, and inspiration for your journey. It's all inside.
A special thanks to this week's guest for sharing their journey with us. And I want to thank you for listening to today's episode. My name is Dr. Cameron Martin, and it has been my honor [01:06:00] to serve you on your journey of self-discovery. See you next time.